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		<title>By: Justice and Human Rights at Harvard&#8217;s Hauser Center &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NGO-run blog on Charles Taylor’s trial captures Sierra Leonean and Liberian audiences</title>
		<link>http://www.charlestaylortrial.org/2009/08/07/it%e2%80%99s-all-about-you-too/#comment-4841</link>
		<dc:creator>Justice and Human Rights at Harvard&#8217;s Hauser Center &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NGO-run blog on Charles Taylor’s trial captures Sierra Leonean and Liberian audiences</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] motivations.  Commenters ask why Taylor, and not others, is being charged.  Periodically Gurd addresses these issues in posts to the blog.  She thinks the diverse opinions are what make the blog so lively.  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] motivations.  Commenters ask why Taylor, and not others, is being charged.  Periodically Gurd addresses these issues in posts to the blog.  She thinks the diverse opinions are what make the blog so lively.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey Gurd</title>
		<link>http://www.charlestaylortrial.org/2009/08/07/it%e2%80%99s-all-about-you-too/#comment-3863</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracey Gurd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sylvanus - I&#039;d be happy to do a little post on this. In short, it does not signal a predetermined outcome of the trial but let me explain in more detail in a post.  I&#039;ll try to do that tomorrow. I know I owe readers a few pieces of information which I will pull together in proper posts as soon as possible.  

Thanks for your question, Sylvanus -- I think it is one that a lot of people have. 

Best,
Tracey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sylvanus &#8211; I&#8217;d be happy to do a little post on this. In short, it does not signal a predetermined outcome of the trial but let me explain in more detail in a post.  I&#8217;ll try to do that tomorrow. I know I owe readers a few pieces of information which I will pull together in proper posts as soon as possible.  </p>
<p>Thanks for your question, Sylvanus &#8212; I think it is one that a lot of people have. </p>
<p>Best,<br />
Tracey</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvanus</title>
		<link>http://www.charlestaylortrial.org/2009/08/07/it%e2%80%99s-all-about-you-too/#comment-3860</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tracey,
Please as soon as you return can you explain to some of us the reason why it has already been decided that if Taylor is convicted he would be imprisoned in Britain. Could it be that there is a predetermined outcome of this trial?

Will be glad to hear your response. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tracey,<br />
Please as soon as you return can you explain to some of us the reason why it has already been decided that if Taylor is convicted he would be imprisoned in Britain. Could it be that there is a predetermined outcome of this trial?</p>
<p>Will be glad to hear your response. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jose, I agree that the the burden of proof is on the prosecution.  Neither the prosecution, nor the defense, have presented much evidence to prove their respective arguments.  I believe the defense is pursuing a good strategy.   This seems more of a &quot;he-said, she-said&quot; type of trial.  We all know of the carnage in Sierra Leone, it is well documented, but what exactly was Charles Taylor&#039;s role?   The trial has proven only to muddy the waters, there is no clear evidence to support either side&#039;s claims. I was also refuting the question, does Mr. Taylor look like a man who would drink human blood?  I took an objective viewpoint...for ritual killings in Liberia have been documented...and frankly, I&#039;m sure neither you or I could tell a participant from a non-participant just by looking at them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose, I agree that the the burden of proof is on the prosecution.  Neither the prosecution, nor the defense, have presented much evidence to prove their respective arguments.  I believe the defense is pursuing a good strategy.   This seems more of a &#8220;he-said, she-said&#8221; type of trial.  We all know of the carnage in Sierra Leone, it is well documented, but what exactly was Charles Taylor&#8217;s role?   The trial has proven only to muddy the waters, there is no clear evidence to support either side&#8217;s claims. I was also refuting the question, does Mr. Taylor look like a man who would drink human blood?  I took an objective viewpoint&#8230;for ritual killings in Liberia have been documented&#8230;and frankly, I&#8217;m sure neither you or I could tell a participant from a non-participant just by looking at them.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aki, I agree that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, which seems to have only provided allegations which play into preconceived notions.  So far, the trial seems to have taken a &quot;he-said, she-said&quot; type of flavor.  The prosecution&#039;s case for convicting Mr. Taylor on the specific charges indeed seems weak in my mind.  Where is the smoking gun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aki, I agree that the burden of proof is on the prosecution, which seems to have only provided allegations which play into preconceived notions.  So far, the trial seems to have taken a &#8220;he-said, she-said&#8221; type of flavor.  The prosecution&#8217;s case for convicting Mr. Taylor on the specific charges indeed seems weak in my mind.  Where is the smoking gun?</p>
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		<title>By: bnker</title>
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		<dc:creator>bnker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracey,

You made several good points that I hope African leaders and the people they rule understand. Moral compass is needed in many African leadership. You are right, to ensure that African and their leaders avoid such public spectacle as this trail we need to ensure that our leaders are held responsible for their actions. First, as you mentioned the political will has to exist, second the judicial temperance has to be nurtured and encouraged, and finally, the political interference into the judiciary must be discouraged. If Africans leaders don&#039;t start setting the foundation for these programs and policies today, then tomorrow we will see more of them on trail, albeit real on charges or bogus ones. 

Having said that, I am not convinced that this trial is not based on evidence, but it is a big political conspiracy. I don&#039;t want to the categorized as a supporter of Taylor, God knows I am not. However, I am concerned about the transparency of the proceedings. I personally think that he was involved in SL, still the burden of proof is on the prosecutor and they have failed to established that. Since their case is based on circumstantial evidence and witnesses testimony; most if not all have depicted gross inconsistency; it makes the prosecution case all the more challenging. Now, neither my personal opinion nor the prosecution&#039;s should matter in the court of law; though it seem to be the basis of their argument. 

We understand that when building a case psychologist review evidences and behavior pattern to better understand the defense (in this case CT). Using this concept, one may readily say that the patterns of crime committed in Liberia does not mirror those of Sierra Leone (no pattern established here). OK, there are the two Nigeria&#039;s who had their limbs hacked. This incident was not the norm in Liberia. These guys are on 1/8 of 1% of the total victims (those who lost their lives). If NPFL fighters were in the habit of chopping limbs, I think they would have continued same in SL. If the prosecution said that CT sponsored the war and his men and RUF looted everything even the name, &quot;Sierra Leone&quot;, I would say &quot;guilty&quot;, because they is a consistency about that. Sadly, this is not the case. 

We can further argue that CT financed the war in Sierra Leone, I understand that there might have been an exemption under the principle of Joint Criminal Enterprise; which suggest that a person who finances a (in this case) war, is equally as guilty as though who perpetrated atrocities during the execution of the war. In the commanders of Kono, who lived in Freetown were given exemption because they were not physically in Kono that district at the time of the crimes. So under this assumption, (even if there are evidence that Taylor commanded RUF from Liberia), he should get such exemption or waiver--verdict will then be innocent. 

But, this will not happen, this case is political. Taylor during this time as rebel leader and President angered a lot of people and nations and they all want to see him pay. Now, I could be very wrong, and if I am, he will &quot;walk&quot; (ie if the trail is not political motivated). The ICC were not prepared and besides, they didn&#039;t conceive that the defense will take such a bold move by putting the accused on the stand. It was a bold calculative move, that I think has the prosecution in corrective mode and changing tactics

Again, Tracey, GREAT JOB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracey,</p>
<p>You made several good points that I hope African leaders and the people they rule understand. Moral compass is needed in many African leadership. You are right, to ensure that African and their leaders avoid such public spectacle as this trail we need to ensure that our leaders are held responsible for their actions. First, as you mentioned the political will has to exist, second the judicial temperance has to be nurtured and encouraged, and finally, the political interference into the judiciary must be discouraged. If Africans leaders don&#8217;t start setting the foundation for these programs and policies today, then tomorrow we will see more of them on trail, albeit real on charges or bogus ones. </p>
<p>Having said that, I am not convinced that this trial is not based on evidence, but it is a big political conspiracy. I don&#8217;t want to the categorized as a supporter of Taylor, God knows I am not. However, I am concerned about the transparency of the proceedings. I personally think that he was involved in SL, still the burden of proof is on the prosecutor and they have failed to established that. Since their case is based on circumstantial evidence and witnesses testimony; most if not all have depicted gross inconsistency; it makes the prosecution case all the more challenging. Now, neither my personal opinion nor the prosecution&#8217;s should matter in the court of law; though it seem to be the basis of their argument. </p>
<p>We understand that when building a case psychologist review evidences and behavior pattern to better understand the defense (in this case CT). Using this concept, one may readily say that the patterns of crime committed in Liberia does not mirror those of Sierra Leone (no pattern established here). OK, there are the two Nigeria&#8217;s who had their limbs hacked. This incident was not the norm in Liberia. These guys are on 1/8 of 1% of the total victims (those who lost their lives). If NPFL fighters were in the habit of chopping limbs, I think they would have continued same in SL. If the prosecution said that CT sponsored the war and his men and RUF looted everything even the name, &#8220;Sierra Leone&#8221;, I would say &#8220;guilty&#8221;, because they is a consistency about that. Sadly, this is not the case. </p>
<p>We can further argue that CT financed the war in Sierra Leone, I understand that there might have been an exemption under the principle of Joint Criminal Enterprise; which suggest that a person who finances a (in this case) war, is equally as guilty as though who perpetrated atrocities during the execution of the war. In the commanders of Kono, who lived in Freetown were given exemption because they were not physically in Kono that district at the time of the crimes. So under this assumption, (even if there are evidence that Taylor commanded RUF from Liberia), he should get such exemption or waiver&#8211;verdict will then be innocent. </p>
<p>But, this will not happen, this case is political. Taylor during this time as rebel leader and President angered a lot of people and nations and they all want to see him pay. Now, I could be very wrong, and if I am, he will &#8220;walk&#8221; (ie if the trail is not political motivated). The ICC were not prepared and besides, they didn&#8217;t conceive that the defense will take such a bold move by putting the accused on the stand. It was a bold calculative move, that I think has the prosecution in corrective mode and changing tactics</p>
<p>Again, Tracey, GREAT JOB!</p>
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		<title>By: andrew jlay</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew jlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I need some help. I do not see where in Mr. Taylor&#039;s testimony did he admit to giving arms to Mr. Bockarie. I saw where he said that he gave money but I have not seen the arms part. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I need some help. I do not see where in Mr. Taylor&#8217;s testimony did he admit to giving arms to Mr. Bockarie. I saw where he said that he gave money but I have not seen the arms part. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew jlay</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew jlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracey,

My comment is in response to Concerned Liberian in the US

The issue raised on Taylor being tried under the  Liberia judicial system for crimes committed against the people of Liberia is not debatable. Legally Mr. Taylor can never be tried under the Liberian legal system. Here are the reasons:

1.  The timeframe of the alleged crimes is not litigatable. The period of the Liberian civil war leading up to the 1997 election of Taylor and his subsequent election was covered in the numerous peace accords adopted and blanket amnesty was granted to the warring factions thereby excusing them from criminal liability. Hence it would be a violation of the spirit and provision of those accord to attempt to bring anyone to trial. 

2.  The constitution of Liberia forbids as treasonous the use of force to remove a seating government. The seating government has to arrest the subversion and try the accused. In the case of the civil war, the government of Samuel Doe collapse and no one was available to arrest surrogate forces and try them. De Facto governments were formed through accords in order to restore some semblance of governance. Similar accords granted blanket amnesty as stated above so I do not see any legal basis for a trial of members of various warring factions. 

3.  Mr. Taylor government did not breakdown in the face of military challenge from LURD and other factions. Rather, he signed an accord to excuse office and hand power to Mr. Blah. So under what conditions  can he be tried for alleged crimes committed during his presidency. Besides what are those specific crimes?  Who defined such crimes, and who granted anyone the authority to define such crimes, etc.

3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracey,</p>
<p>My comment is in response to Concerned Liberian in the US</p>
<p>The issue raised on Taylor being tried under the  Liberia judicial system for crimes committed against the people of Liberia is not debatable. Legally Mr. Taylor can never be tried under the Liberian legal system. Here are the reasons:</p>
<p>1.  The timeframe of the alleged crimes is not litigatable. The period of the Liberian civil war leading up to the 1997 election of Taylor and his subsequent election was covered in the numerous peace accords adopted and blanket amnesty was granted to the warring factions thereby excusing them from criminal liability. Hence it would be a violation of the spirit and provision of those accord to attempt to bring anyone to trial. </p>
<p>2.  The constitution of Liberia forbids as treasonous the use of force to remove a seating government. The seating government has to arrest the subversion and try the accused. In the case of the civil war, the government of Samuel Doe collapse and no one was available to arrest surrogate forces and try them. De Facto governments were formed through accords in order to restore some semblance of governance. Similar accords granted blanket amnesty as stated above so I do not see any legal basis for a trial of members of various warring factions. </p>
<p>3.  Mr. Taylor government did not breakdown in the face of military challenge from LURD and other factions. Rather, he signed an accord to excuse office and hand power to Mr. Blah. So under what conditions  can he be tried for alleged crimes committed during his presidency. Besides what are those specific crimes?  Who defined such crimes, and who granted anyone the authority to define such crimes, etc.</p>
<p>3.</p>
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		<title>By: jose Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerned Liberian, your presence is like your absence. It makes no difference. However, you have already conceded that the prosecution has not done a better job. By the way, what do you mean that &quot;perhaps the prosecution should have done a better job&quot;? Clearly,  you are a political ventriloquist who is impervious of seeing Liberia making progress. Your support for this trial is simply based on your inability to defeat President Taylor politically in Liberia. You made mention of people voting for President Taylor based on the abolishment of fighting. Bogus reason. They saw him as the best candidate among the rests that were vowing for the same job. Are you aware of other warlords that participated in the election? Why they were not voted for? There is no more hide and seek. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerned Liberian, your presence is like your absence. It makes no difference. However, you have already conceded that the prosecution has not done a better job. By the way, what do you mean that &#8220;perhaps the prosecution should have done a better job&#8221;? Clearly,  you are a political ventriloquist who is impervious of seeing Liberia making progress. Your support for this trial is simply based on your inability to defeat President Taylor politically in Liberia. You made mention of people voting for President Taylor based on the abolishment of fighting. Bogus reason. They saw him as the best candidate among the rests that were vowing for the same job. Are you aware of other warlords that participated in the election? Why they were not voted for? There is no more hide and seek.</p>
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		<title>By: jose Rodriguez</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose Rodriguez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, the burden of proof is not on President Taylor as the defendant to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he is innocent but instead, it is the other way around. Once there is a little doubt, he must be acquited and set free. Moreover, he has presented more credible documents and testimonies debunking and disproving the prosecution charges. Timothy,  in the court of law, the prosecution must prove beyond all reasonable doubts that the accused  actually committed the crimes. However, if you want to tell us that President Taylor is already guilty except he proves his innocence, than is another story. As of date, he is making a good defense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, the burden of proof is not on President Taylor as the defendant to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he is innocent but instead, it is the other way around. Once there is a little doubt, he must be acquited and set free. Moreover, he has presented more credible documents and testimonies debunking and disproving the prosecution charges. Timothy,  in the court of law, the prosecution must prove beyond all reasonable doubts that the accused  actually committed the crimes. However, if you want to tell us that President Taylor is already guilty except he proves his innocence, than is another story. As of date, he is making a good defense.</p>
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